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Eileen Grubba: Part 1
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Resilience takes center stage as actress, writer, and producer Eileen Gruba shares her extraordinary 30-year journey through the entertainment industry. From childhood tragedy to industry trailblazer and advocate for disabled actors, Eileen's story captivates with raw honesty and unwavering determination.
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Hi, my name's Eileen Gruba. I'm an actress, I'm a writer and producer. I've been in the industry 30 years and I'm excited to have worked with these guys and to be on the NOLA film scene.
Speaker 2:Excellent Welcome to NOLA film scene with TJ Plato. I'm TJ and, as always, I'm Plato.
Speaker 3:Welcome back to NOLA film scene.
Speaker 2:Good to see you again. Can't thank you enough for being on the show.
Speaker 1:Thank you. So what's going on with the film, guys?
Speaker 2:The film, folks, is this Soldier's Heart and it's a story about PTSD and how a soldier and a cop and they are dealing with it. So, eileen and I have a mutual friend His name is Jim Vess and when we were looking for actors and actresses, he and I started talking and we reached out to you to play the sheriff's wife and you graciously accepted. We got you down here. It is in post-production. We filmed last March, march of 2024, february, and so it's close. We're hoping to have it done by Veterans Day, that's nice it would.
Speaker 1:How many veterans did you have working on that project?
Speaker 3:That's a good question. I don't know the answer.
Speaker 2:I know at least one who is on this podcast over there with the long beard.
Speaker 1:TJ, you're a veteran, but I thought, brian, I thought you are too.
Speaker 2:No, no, I did not serve.
Speaker 1:Got it. So, tj, did you help write the story.
Speaker 3:I didn't. I actually didn't meet Matt until that project. Brian helped me get involved with it. Since then, matt and I have worked together a pretty good bit, but up until then, no, I had very little involvement in it. I was just thankful to have even a small one liner at the end of it.
Speaker 2:And I almost played the sheriff, so I was almost your husband. So when Matt and I got together, we met at a coffee shop and we started talking about the sheriff's role and he goes look, you're in your 50s, the sheriff's in his 50s. But you don't come across as in your 50s. I'm like what am I going to do? Argue that he's telling me I'm too youthful. And so Jeremy London had been my teacher a few times. I took his classes on Zoom and that's how we got Jeremy, and then, through Jim, that's how we got you. So it's all those connections. And I was not able to be there on the day while you were filming, I was getting the rack set at a sand quarry for free, I was working some magic. But my phone blew up and people were stunned. They were emotional with the emotions you were sharing. It was, I can say, without even being there. You did a fantastic job.
Speaker 1:Thank you, that was a challenging little character to pull off there.
Speaker 2:And we'll keep it under wraps until the movie comes up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we won't say, we won't say what's happening, but yeah, but it was fun. It was great working with everybody. I had a great time.
Speaker 2:Was this your first time in New Orleans?
Speaker 1:Heck. No, no, I always loved New Orleans. As a matter of fact, when I was in my early years of acting, when I lived in Atlanta and I was training there and working out at Alliance Theater and doing community theater, I had read some books and soon they were going into production in New Orleans Little little unheard of books called Interview with the Vampire, and I had connected with the casting director. I believe his last name was LeBlanc Now I'm trying to remember but anyway, I drove out to New Orleans with my friend from Atlanta and just so I could audition for the film. So close, so close, so close. But the only characters that were available were, you know, in my type range, were the girls who get. You know, the ones that they, they sucked all the blood out of them. And yeah, those ones.
Speaker 2:They would have made a meal out of you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the casting director came back later and said they just wanted more sickly looking girls, you know, more real, frail looking. And that wasn't me. I'm not frail, I didn't get it. But it was a great adventure and to this day I can't go through New Orleans without imagining the vampires and everything, because I read the books and Anne Rice and I were actually Facebook friends until she passed away. But I also went back and forth to New Orleans through the years to work and I did a movie there called Wild Oats and you know I started my career in the south southeast in atlanta, then did some work in new orleans and around, but to this day the best jobs I get are in the southeast way better than the opportunities that I have in la things have really started changing a lot in the industry, especially in the south.
Speaker 3:I haven't worked in so I can't speak to that. Before the strike, just my own personal experience. Auditions were coming left and right and then it seems after the strike at least for me came to almost a screeching halt, and the more time that's going on I'm seeing it slow down even more and we keep hearing that everything is moving away, moving more to Atlanta. Two productions that I can think of off the top of my head, that the first season was filmed here, got filmed elsewhere. One was filmed in Canada. And then one production that people were really excited was coming to New Orleans. We thought it would open some doors. Turns out they're just going to shoot some establishing shots, like they do on a lot of stuff, and principal photography is going to. Everything's going to be in Atlanta and that's just really disappointing how much it's slowing down.
Speaker 1:Atlanta really has taken over a lot of the market and I started my career there, so I actually I would move back there in a second if I was on a show. But to you know the way life has changed and things have changed, it's like you know how expensive everything's gotten and once you give up your apartment here, that's it.
Speaker 1:You know, like if you come back it's going to cost three times as much. So you know, making the move without having a job to go to is a little, you know so. But I do keep trying to get back to the Southeast because, quite frankly, I think I fit in there better. You know, even when I was young, I was far more accepted in the entertainment industry community, but that didn't seem to bother anybody in Atlanta and it hasn't seemed to be a problem in New Orleans.
Speaker 1:Even when I worked on Wild Oats with Jessica Lange and Shirley McClain, I was like I hope they know, because they just asked me to like come through a bank and run out into their shot. So I was like I'm happy to do that, I just hope they know it's not going to look like your typical runner. And so I went up and whispered it to the director. I'm like I'm happy to do whatever you're asking me to do. I just want to make sure you know that I have a race, so it's going to look a little different. And he smiled and he said I'm fine with that. And that was a beautiful thing, because people haven't typically been known to be fine with it.
Speaker 1:So when they have been fine with it, I am grateful. And, for example, the movie that we did, it just didn't matter at all. And in life it shouldn't matter at all. I'm more active than every female my age, but I do have that, knowing that throughout the years in Atlanta they were always cool about it, even when, even when I was going through surgeries and on crutches and all that, they were always really super cool about it and open.
Speaker 2:So I miss the southeast, you know, I feel like I fit in a little easier there, you know always keeping in mind, tj and I did a it's called the seven and seven film seven days to make a seven minute film for the Abita Springs International Film Festival. But we made a Western. But we want to take that and expand it out. We want to take that out and expand it to a full feature. And so if, when we do that, I'm not going to say, if, when I'm going to give you a call, whether it's a school mom, I'm not going to say you're going to be the can can dancer or you know I'm going to find your role because we want you back. I, or you know I'm going to find your role because we want you back, I can do that. Oh, you want the can-can to answer? We'll do it.
Speaker 1:But I can also play a school teacher, so that would be an interesting character if she did both. Yeah, yeah, I have to say I had such a great time, you know, when Jim reached out about A Soldier's Heart and I had no idea what I was getting myself into at all zero. And I knew it was low budget and all that, but I had no idea of what the budget was or any of that stuff. And you know, my gut was just saying, well, you know, be open, just see what happens. You know, I know a lot of people. Just you know their agents or something you'll turn something down just without even checking with the artist. And so I was like, just be open. And then I had my little talk, you know phone conversations and meets with them, and I was like these are really nice people. I'm like I'm going to go for it.
Speaker 1:And so, you know, it was an unusual circumstance all of it, even where they put me up and with a family that was there and everything. And part of me was like hmm. And then another part of me is like, well, that seems safer than being alone somewhere in this town that I don't know very well, in the part of New Orleans you were going to be in. I don't know very well, so I said that feels safer for me as a single girl who doesn't run well as we've established beautiful experience, Even just the way Matt did everything, his mom cooking for all of us like home cooked meals, and her home was just so open and welcoming to everybody and it just felt like a family production I'm getting emotional saying it.
Speaker 1:It just felt like such a family and everybody was so easy to work with and play with. And the actors the day that we were at the I'm not going to reveal anything, just we were at that location where it was like a community location. Just the actors were so easy to play with and connect with and I just had a wonderful time I I came away from that going wow.
Speaker 1:I'm really glad I said yes to that project, just simply for the wonderful people I met and the joy of getting to dive into a quite challenging character to play. There's a lot of traps in that and also there's a lot of emotional resonance for me, for that character, and so you know it's a quite challenging one to pull off. Well, you know, and they just made it easy, they all made it easy and Matthew made it easy and it was just a great experience all around.
Speaker 3:And I think that's going to translate on screen too. I've seen a little bit of the footage and I think that closeness and that family environment I think it's going to translate, because I think a lot of people walked away with a similar experience. I really enjoyed that shoot. I really enjoyed that shoot and at the time that was one of my first features that I had. Yeah, that was probably the second feature that I had been in. At that point I had been on set on smaller things, but that was, yeah, that was the first one and I walked away with a lot of friends and it was I'm not going to say life-changing me but career wise, it really was a great experience.
Speaker 1:And it was unique in that Matt obviously has had a lot of experience in the industry and typically what I've seen through the years is that when something's really really low budget, that's when the people running it will be either very fear based or very condescending, which is weird, because that's when you're giving them basically your time, because they really can't afford to have you there and you're giving them your time.
Speaker 1:I've turned down stuff just because of the fact that those are the environments you're usually poorly treated in and I'm not going to be poorly treated. After all the work I've done through the years and how hard I've tried and how hard I've trained and the work I've done, I'm like I'm great in environments where people just respect each other's work. And so, like I said, I didn't know what I was getting into, but my gut was saying, yes, these are good people. And boy, my gut instinct was right on that and I had no idea what kind of budget they were working with until after the fact. And I came home and had I known how low it was and known who these people were going to be, and I would have completely done it for free it was. I mean, I'm not supposed to say that I'm on the union board.
Speaker 2:I was going to say don't say that People will hear this.
Speaker 1:One of those experiences that was just so, just so wonderful.
Speaker 1:Everybody was was amazing, and I think back on it very fondly and I I have a lot of reasons in my life to believe that things are bigger than us, much bigger than us.
Speaker 1:And um, looking around his mother's home where we were hosted for this, I saw a lot of angels and a lot of things that reminded me of my parents, who left this world many years ago, and I was like, okay, exactly where I'm supposed to be and meeting the kind of people I'm supposed to be meeting, and I'll take that away with me, no matter what happens with the film. It was a wonderful experience and I think the actors there are really gracious and kind and I hope that we all do get to do a lot more things together. I told Matt I have a film I've been working on for New Orleans that I started writing years ago because it was inspired by something that I experienced that I had, and then it's a fantastic, fantastic meaning like Harry Potter, fantastic kind of movie set in New Orleans and in the swamp surroundings. So I've got to finish that one and get it out there, but it would be a big budget, so I'll figure that one out.
Speaker 2:It is, I'm in.
Speaker 1:You're in. Yeah, and one of my friends moved there, by the way, one of my friends from the actor's studio. You know we train ridiculous amounts of time here and I spent many years of my life at the actor's studio, so that's like family. And one of my friends, Flo, left LA and moved to New Orleans Orleans and I did end up going back and helping her with a thesis film she was doing for film school. So I did get back to New Orleans for that. But when she was there I went and stayed with her for a little while and ran around the city and I just, I just love that. I love the culture there and I hope it never changes. I hope that all the uniqueness of New Orleans stays, stays that way, because you know how big cities get modernized and pretty soon you have a Dunkin Donuts where there used to be a gothic building or something, and you know you just miss all the uniqueness of places like New Orleans and I hope it always keeps that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my Uber driver today was from Columbia and it's the same thing. Like you're saying and we hear it a lot, people come to New Orleans, whether it's Mardi Gras or just you know, experience the city and the city gets in their soul. Same thing with acting. I stumbled across it and it was so much fun and I feel like I took like a duck to water in a lot of ways and it's like a calling. You find where you need to be or where you're supposed to be.
Speaker 1:And that leads us into my favorite question is what inspired you to get into this business? Oh gosh, that is a multi-layered question. I got a very complicated answer to that, but I'll try to keep it tight. So when I was a little girl I was very active, a very athletic, active kid, and then we got vaccines for school that nearly killed me and I ended up in a wheelchair. So now I'm from this huge family, I got a lot of siblings and I can't go do everything they're doing anymore. You know I'm stuck in a wheelchair and they're out playing in the snow and running and I'm like.
Speaker 1:So my mom brought me a lot of art supplies and so I started creating worlds. You know like we were financially wiped out by what happened. And my father, you know he did fixed cars and you know, and had a lot of kids and trying to pay for my medical stuff and it makes me sad thinking about what they must have gone through. But my mom, because we didn't have a lot of money, she would go to the newspaper place where they printed the newspapers back then and she would get the rolls of paper they threw out and she would bring them home because they still had a ton of paper on them and then she would also get all the crayons at the end of the school year that the kids they were throwing out because they were all the broken crayons. I had a massive box of broken crayons and newspaper print that I would roll across the floor because I could crawl all across the floor and get around in my arms and I would draw worlds, pictures, houses, everything I dreamed of I would draw, and I started getting very crafty and doing arts and crafts and creating. And among that creating I started making paper mache puppets and making little puppet shows and honestly, that's how performing started in my life.
Speaker 1:And then as I got older and you know, one big factor also was that when I was in my wheelchair, we would go to my brother's football games and I didn't want to stay in the stands with everybody.
Speaker 1:I wanted my mom to take me with my little wheelchair and put me in front of the cheerleaders, because I didn't care about the football players, I wanted to watch the cheerleaders because I wanted to be a cheerleader. So I used to sit there like just right in front of them, watching the cheerleaders the whole time and I used to just keep saying I want to be a cheerleader. I want to be a cheerleader, and that's sort of a performance art, right. Well, so as soon as I could walk again, I was trying out for the cheerleading teams, and, you know, even at a young age. And so I did become a cheerleader and because, you know, my arms were strong and my voice was really strong for calling for my mom when my peers were tormenting me, I became the captain of the cheerleading team and just going on to do that kind of performance and then we did some stage stuff in high school but it really got me.
Speaker 1:When I was going to be an artist I was going to be a fashion designer, all those things and I moved to Atlanta and I started doing art kind of businesses. I got approached by a photographer to do some images for wedding stuff and that experience led to some great photos. But the photographer was there was something not right there and I thought I'm not going to be a victim of some weird man and so I grew up with six brothers and I knew how to fight right.
Speaker 1:So I just was like this is a really uncomfortable situation. I got myself out of it and I thought you know what? I'm going to train and learn this business, otherwise I'm not going to be in it. You know, like I don't know enough about modeling at the time, like to know what's authentic or what's what's real, you know. So I started training and I went to classes. I took classes in Atlanta and then I started training at Alliance Theater and then I learned about the business and then I started training at Alliance Theater and then I learned about the business and I started doing musicals at my church and it just went on from there.
Speaker 1:And when I started having rebuilds on my leg because you know, jumping around and doing all the things I do when I grew up in a wheelchair caused a lot of issues. So I started having surgeries and the people in Atlanta were just so wonderfully gracious and I mean I was doing musicals even when I couldn't walk up and down the steps. We got so creative with it. I remember being in construction boots under a long gown, playing one of the sexy girls in the Beauty and the Beast and having to saunter up the aisle and I'm really good at sauntering because I had construction boots on, but the gown hides the stuff and when I get to the steps to get up the stage I couldn't go up the steps. So they had this big guy playing Gaston and he just came down the steps, picked me up by the waist, spun me around and put me on top of the stage, and so we always had crafty ways to work around. Whatever I was doing at the time and like doing like you know singing on the piano for one number you know where I'm straped across the piano so I don't have to walk. I had so much fun performing in Atlanta. I played Cinderella in the musicals and all the kids you know come up and they're tugging on your dress and they really think you're Cinderella and I just I loved entertaining people. I really enjoyed it. So that's how it all started.
Speaker 1:And then at the time Atlanta didn't have much of a business. I outgrew that business really fast and I worked in casting while I was there too. I worked for the casting director, don Slayton, at the time, and I do remember being at Alliance Theater School and having a wonderful young woman who was my teacher, who I went to when I was having a major leg rebuild and I knew I was going to be off my feet for quite a while. And I just asked her I'm making a mistake trying to go into this business because I'm going to always have some sort of walking challenge. I have a spinal cord injury from this thing, you know. And and she, uh, I've never forgotten this because it prompted it, you know it caused what. What happened next? She said to me, most of my students I would tell them, no, don't go into this business. But not you. She said, you have to do this. And she encouraged me to keep going. And so I did, even with the.
Speaker 1:The next surgery I had a cast up to my hip that had a handle on it and I kept going to my classes and I would, you know, climb up on the stage and get to the you know the seat and do my thing. And I just worked, and worked, and worked and then ended up moving to New York and doing the best I could with my walk. You know, in New York at the time I could do all the musical stuff and I could sing any song and I had the best musical coaches. But in those years they weren't having any of somebody with a walking challenge on the stage. And so, you know, I tried for a few years and then I moved to LA because I could drive instead of walk everywhere. And you know, the rest is history.
Speaker 1:I came to LA and quickly learned that I had to change this entire industry in order to work in it, and that was a sad revelation. But I was in my 20s and I was like nobody's going to tell me I'm not good enough to be in this business because I have a different walk. And you know, some people would say it and I'm like well, I got news for you, I'm going to work. I did have one agent say you're never going to work in this industry because you walk funny, and I just smiled and said well, I looked at his wall of headshots and I said I've already probably worked more than most of your girls and I've turned down what they aspire to do. So I think I'm going to be fine. And that turned out to be pretty true, you know. And after I left his office, I ended up landing a much, much bigger agent. And you know, I just kept moving and pivoting throughout the whole business and I ended up becoming an advocate for people with disabilities because I saw how much worse it was for anybody that had anything at all wrong with them.
Speaker 1:And speaking of veterans, you know we had a real shift in our movement towards the inclusion of people with disabilities when we started saying would you hold it against a veteran if they came back missing a limb or walking differently, or would you keep them out of work?
Speaker 1:And you know, when we started saying that, people started realizing oh, you're a human being too, just like anybody could have a go to war or get in a car accident and end up with something. You know we started getting through to their humanity and you know it's been a battle. It's still a battle out here in LA and, as I told you earlier, I've had people much more open in Atlanta, in New York, in New Orleans, in the Southeast, than they have been here. But I have a very thick skull and I had a good handful of friends who said to me you know you were born for this battle because I'm a fighter. I've been a fighter all my life and because I've been in and out of wheelchairs, I can look at both sides of the conversation and try to bring people to the middle and try to help them understand each other.
Speaker 1:And so that's how it all started. I've never given up or quit because incrementally this business, you know, you build credits. You know, incrementally, incrementally this business, you build credits Incrementally. So sometimes you just have to break through, get one thing and then use that to get the next thing and keep going.
Speaker 1:One of the most wonderful experiences and opportunities of my career was when I auditioned for the Actors Studio and there they don't care what's going on with you, they just want to know if you're doing the work and if you're good at it.
Speaker 1:Care what's going on with you, they just want to know if you're doing the work and if you're good at it. And so it was just sort of a twist of fate that when I was asked to audition there with another girl, she picked the scenes. It had nothing to do with me, she just asked me to play the character who was paralyzed from getting run over by a taxi in New York. And she asked me to play that character. And I'm raging, mad and alcoholic and throwing things at her. And and I just dug right into that role and threw myself on that stage and dragged myself across it and had the kind of, you know, emotional release of somebody like I thought to myself if you paralyzed me again, yeah, we're going to have a rage going on, and so I tried to work with that. So that was my first audition for the actor's studio and it got me all the way to finals, and which is kind of unique because it usually takes a long time for people to get and they didn't know anything about me.
Speaker 1:They didn't know I had that life experience and anyway, once I got into the actor's studio, that was family and I've spent so many years there training and the beautiful thing about the members of the actor's studio is some of them are in their 90s and they're still going regularly and they're still training other actors and we have Oscar winners and Emmy winners and people with immense resumes who are there giving their time.
Speaker 1:It's free, you're not paying for it and you get the most wonderful training because you've got really accomplished actors guiding you and wanting you to be the best you can be. So that became my family and it was my fallback through all the years and all the hard work to change the business. But I step back now and I look at it and I'm like I'm at the other end of the age range now. I've watched all those years go by where I didn't get in the doors and I just keep thanking God I'm still alive and I'm still moving, and moving better now than before, still working as an actor, and I I do have to smile and look at what we've accomplished and I'm like my God, we changed an industry. We did that. You know was a hard battle, but people with disabilities are now being included and put on that screen and, you know, veterans are being included and doors are opening and we still have a long way to go, but we did it, you know.
Speaker 2:Beautiful. That epitomizes what an actor needs. You have to have the love of the craft and then the tenacity to never let anyone stop you, and it's. You had the additional hurdle of dealing with that disability and then, instead of just I'm not doing it, I'm going to take it on and I'm going to make it better for the next person.
Speaker 1:That's a great story Because my little five-year-old inside of me remembers well what I went through and how people treated me and the times where I wanted to quit, because this business can be brutal. You know, making a living in it, as you know, making a living as a working actor is no small feat. You know like less than 3% of our union makes an actual living. And so every time I wanted to drop out, you know what I thought about that little five-year-old and I thought I never want another child to fight for their life and win and then be kept out of play and work and school and careers for the rest of their lives because somebody doesn't like their battle scars. You know, because that's all it is. It's like we have battle scars. I got scars, I got scars, okay. So do veterans who came back from war, so do people who've survived car accidents or cancers or you know all those things. And you know I've outlived a lot of people, you know, and I'm still here. I'm older than my mother ever lived to be. I keep thinking, you know, for those kids I'm going to keep going and get there and little by little, those career credits add up and that exposure adds up and I tell people please don't give up your dreams. If it's your dream, you know. If it's truly your dream and you've done the hard work, you have to do the work so that it's easy. So what you were talking about on the set, brian, was there were a handful of people watching me do what I do and saying how do you do that? Decades of training, decades of putting myself in that position and putting myself on the stage in front of a lot of critics and thousands and upon thousands and thousands of auditions and rejections where, to the point is like, literally, the rejections water off a duck's back to me. I'm like, okay, you know, like fine, I don't really care.
Speaker 1:Next, moving on, and you know, you get to a place where you've got very thick skin and a very hard head because there's a reason you're here and you have a passion for it and you have to have that passion. If you just want to be famous, just go find something else to do. If you want to be rich, I would definitely go find something else to do, because the reality is a lot of people don't know that the majority of actors are starving. The majority of actors are not making their health insurance and have five roommates in LA to try to survive, or they have their parents paying their bills, even when they're in their 40s and 50s and I'm not joking about that. So that's the majority of people, and some of them are extremely trained and talented people.
Speaker 1:But you have to be tenacious and you have to have a purpose. You have to have a reason, like I have a strong reason. I don't want another kid to ever go through that again. I want these kids to be seen in a different light and seen for their strengths, because these are the strongest people on the planet. The ones who've been through more are stronger than the ones who've been through less. That's just the bottom line.
Speaker 1:If people have survived, they are your survivors, they are stronger, and so it's a perception shift that I'm still working on, and it's why I write and I do all the other things I do and keep opening up to creative opportunities wherever I can, so that I can keep making this impact happen, and I thank God every day that I get to stay in the game and play. I have so much fun when I'm working. I just love working, especially with creative people and artists, and that's one of the things I really liked about Matthew Carroll is. He's very creative and he's courageous and he tries and he does go after what he wants, whether he has this many resources or more, and he just keeps going. And that's what it takes in our business, really.
Speaker 3:Yeah, great, sorry, I'm a little choked up here.
Speaker 2:I saw that I didn't. It's a touching story and it's it's so inspirational. Ok, we're going to stop right here, because we've had so much fun talking with Eileen and learning so much and this is such a great episode we're going to make it two parts, so come back next week and hear the stunning conclusion.
